4/22/2014

Alison Tieman misrepresents NISVS definitions

In the debut Honey Badger Hangout, Alison Tieman (a.k.a. Typhon Blue) said this:
"Made to Penetrate is actually...apparently more tightly onto what we would consider rape than Rape is.  In other words, it really didn't include situations where men were drunk, because the wording was so ambiguous that it most likely excluded those situations with Made to Penetrate.  The wording about trying to capture sex while drunk was ambiguous and it did not appear to include men who were forced to penetrate while drunk."
"So in other words, the Made To Penetrate stat, if anything, is actually closer to our idea of forced sex than the Rape stat is."
Linkage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cf6SKsxUkQg#t=5355

Now, if you've read my post about Is "Gendered" Crime Really Gendered? you will notice a link to the NISVS study there as well as a truncated version of the definitions for "rape" and for "made to penetrate."  I'll include the full primary descriptions here, so you may see how "different" they really are.

  • Rape is defined as any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.
  • Being made to penetrate someone else includes times when the victim was made to, or there was an attempt to make them, sexually penetrate someone without the victim's consent because the victim was physically forced (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threatened with physical harm, or when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.

Maybe I'm just not seeing it correctly, but those seem to be basically the same description other than describing either being penetrated, or being made to penetrate.

Assuming I am seeing it correctly, the main difference if both were considered equal violations is actually going to be in the area of oral sex.  The description for Rape does include being forced to perform fellatio, but does not necessarily include being forced to perform or receive cunnilingus.  Made to Penetrate would intuitively include (although not explicitly defined) being forced to receive fellatio, but does not necessarily include being forced to perform or receive cunnilingus.  Either could include forced performing or receiving cunnilingus, but unlike fellatio, cunnilingus including penetration is not generally a given.

The real question is, is that minor gender-unequal consideration potentially responsible for the 3,000 victim difference between the two in the general 12 Month statistics?

When we're talking total numbers in excess of 1 million and considering that somebody committing sexual assault is going to be inherently more concerned about their own pleasure than the other person's, I'd personally tend to think it's likely enough to call it about even if you added forced cunnilingus to those numbers.




The other thing that's been bothering me, is considering all the attention being given to these particular statistics, no MRAs seem to have yet noticed and pointed out that especially when it comes to Intimate Partner Violence and the more general sexual assault classifications, like "Unwanted Sexual Contact" (especially Unwanted Sexual Contact within relationships) the percentages for male victims are actually higher than the percentages for female victims.

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
Table 2.1 (Page 18)
12 month prevalence of Sexual Violence - Women:
Unwanted Sexual Contact:         2.2%        2,600,000 victims

Table 2.2 (Page 19)
12 month prevalence of Sexual Violence - Men: 
Unwanted Sexual Contact:         2.3%        2,565,000 victims

Table 4.1 (Page 38)
12 month prevalence of IPV Physical Violence - Women: 
Physical Violence:                     4.0%        4,741,000 victims

Table 4.2 (Page 38)
12 month prevalence of IPV Physical Violence - Men: 
Physical Violence:                     4.7%        5,365,000 victims

Table 4.5 (page 42)
12 month prevalence of IPV Sexual Violence - Women
Unwanted Sexual Contact:         0.5%        645,000 victims

Table 4.6 (page 43)
12 month prevalence of IPV Sexual Violence - Men
Unwanted Sexual Contact:         0.9%        1,031,000 victims

If you wanted to poke holes in the idea that "sexual assault and domestic violence are crimes primarily against women" there's not a much better way than to point out the fact that the study claims a higher percentage of male victims per year for both types of crime, is there?  Seems to me that should be step #1.

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